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Apple Pie with Kate McDermott

Originally posted on November 10, 2014
in Apple, Pastry, Pies and Tarts, Recipes

DuncanKateRobinDuncan McDermott Graham (Kate’s son), Kate McDermott, and Robin Jacobs, the three musketeers of The Art of the Pie workshop.

It’s rare that I get to take classes from a professional baker because I’m the one who usually gives the classes. All that changed recently when my wife, Dorothy, and I, were invited to attend a baking weekend called Upper Crust at Paws Up, a world-class resort just an hour away from our home in Montana. Full disclosure: My wife and I were comped for this extraordinary weekend.

Two gifted teachers, Kate McDermott, who is renowned for her gorgeous pies, and Mindy Segal, a James Beard Award-winning pastry chef from Chicago, conducted hands-on workshops.

I attended Kate’s workshop first, where we each made our very own apple pies, including a terrific butter and lard pastry.

Kate’s enthusiasm and joy of baking are absolutely contagious. She is a lively teacher who wants to make sure that all who take her classes “get it.” Her messages are to throw all fear out the window and above all, have fun! Kate stressed the importance of keeping all ingredients cold when making pastry, emphasizing that the fats must remain solid and not turn oily. To that end, she freezes the mixing bowl and flour, and keeps the fats chilled. These are great ideas and pretty much insures you’ll make a terrific pastry.

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Here’s Kate’s bowl with the flour, salt, butter and lard. She cuts the fats into largish lumps before adding them to the bowl.

Then she works the fats into the flour rapidly with her fingertips. Kate says it’s perfectly okay to use a pastry blender, but the fingers do a quicker job.

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Once the fats have been incorporated into the flour, you can see they’re still in fairly large pieces. At this point stop, and get your hands out of there!

The next step is to add ice water, and the amount depends on the dryness of the flour. Start with the minimum recommended and toss all ingredients together quickly, with a fluffing motion.

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How do you know if you’ve added enough water? Squeeze a bit of the dough ingredients together. If they stick together, the dough is done. If not, sprinkle on a tablespoon or so of ice water, toss everything together again, and repeat the squeeze test. Once the dough holds together, shape it into a log in the bowl. Mixing the dough should take no longer than 1 minute.

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Here’s the dough log. It’s rough-looking, and the next step is to make an indentation across the center and fold the dough over on itself. Reshape the dough into a log and repeat the indenting and folding. What you’re doing is creating layers in the dough–laminating it–to make the crust flaky. Then shape the dough into a ball.

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Here’s Kate shaping the dough. She’ll add most of those bits of dough in the bowl to the ball of dough. Once that’s done, she’ll cut the dough in half to reveal its laminated nature.

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You can see pieces of fat among the layers of dough.

Slam each half of dough cut side down down decisively onto a sheet of plastic wrap and shape into a disk.

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Here’s one half the dough ready to be wrapped in plastic and shaped into a disk. Work quickly to avoid transferring heat from your hands to the dough.

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Here are the two disks. Once formed, refrigerate for 1 hour to firm the pastry and relax the gluten.

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Kate with the two disks of dough. Her son, Duncan, is seated. Note the mixing bowl, mixing cups, rolling pin, scissors, pastry brush, and jar of ice water.

Before rolling out the dough, Kate measures the amount of apples for individual pies in the baking dish. In class we were provided with Le Creuset dishes with flared sides, 6 inches across the top, 4 inches bottom diameter, and 1 1/2 inches tall.

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Kate used a combination of 3 apple varieties and she does not peel her apples. She cuts them into chunks measuring about 3/4-inch and piles them into her baking dish, mounding them in the center. After that, in they go into a mixing bowl.

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Kate adds sugar, flour, a pinch of salt, spices, and a little cider vinegar, and tosses everything together with her hands.  She tastes the fruit to see if any adjustments are necessary and sets the bowl aside while she rolls out the crusts.

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She rolls one disk of the dough on a lightly floured cloth, patching it together as necessary, until it is large enough to line the baking dish with an inch or so of overhang.

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To transfer the dough to the baking dish, she rolls it up on a rolling pin and carefully unrolls it into the pan.

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She lifts the edges of the dough, going all around the pastry, nudging it gently into the pan without stretching the dough.

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Then she piles the apple filling into the pan, mounding it in the center, and dots the fruit with small pieces of cold butter.  Kate moistens the edge of the bottom crust lightly with ice water.

After rolling out the second disk of dough, she drapes it onto her pastry pin and carefully unrolls it over the filling.

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Next step: Press the top and bottom crust together along the edges to seal.

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Once the edges are sealed, Kate trims away excess pastry with scissors or a knife.

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Crimp the edges of the crust together by folding it on itself toward the center of the pie.

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And here’s the pie with the crimping almost complete.

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Kate decorated the crimped pie edge with the handle of a knife. You can make any design you like, or leave the edge plain.

Kate likes to refrigerate her pie for about 1 hour before baking. Then she makes the final decoration and brushes the pie with an egg white glaze.

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Steam vents decorate the top of the pie. After brushing with the glaze, into the oven the pie goes.

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My baked pie! The pastry sinks as the fruit cooks and shrinks in volume. Delish!

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And here’s one proud teacher. Thank you, Kate, for a fantastic lesson in pie making.

Kate McDermott’s Apple Pie


The amount below will make enough for a 9-inch deep-dish pie pan, serving 8. For individual pies, like we made in class, divide everything by half. I am reproducing Kate’s recipes for the pie dough and apple filling  (with only slight changes) as she wrote them up for her workshops.


Kate recommends freezing everything (flour and fats) before making pie dough, including the bowl! She says the perfect temperature for making dough is 52˚F. On hot days, she puts her dough bowl into a bowl with ice and water to keep everything cold. One thing you can do to ensure the fruit cooks evenly is to cook the filling in a saucepan on top of the stove just until the surface of the fruit is easily pierced with a fork. Cool completely before filling the pie.


Basic Pie Dough


2 1/2 cups unbleached all-purpose flour (measure by dipping dry measuring cups into flour container, filling to overflowing, and leveling with a straight edge)
1/2 teaspoon salt
8 tablespoons Kerrygold or other high fat salted or unsalted butter, very cold, cut into tablespoon-size pieces
8 tablespoons rendered leaf lard, very cold (see Note at end of recipe for a source)
6 to 8 tablespoons ice water


Apple Filling


About 10 cups of diced, quartered and cored unpeeled or peeled apples (at least 3 varieties, more if possible)
1/2 cup sugar, plus more if needed
1 teaspoon ground cinnamon
1/8 teaspoon ground nutmeg
1/2 teaspoon ground allspice
1/4 teaspoon salt
1/2 cup flour
1 tablespoon artisan-style  cider vinegar or fresh lemon juice
1 to 2 tablespoons cold butter, cut into small pieces




1 egg white beaten with 1 tablespoon water
Sugar, to sprinkle on top crust


To make the pie dough, put all ingredients except the ice water in a large bowl, preferably one that has been frozen. With clean hands, blend the dry ingredients together until they looks like coarse meal, with some largish lumps of fat. Use a pinching and fluffing action. The lumps help make flaky pies. Be quick, and don’t dawdle.


Sprinkle on 6 tablespoons of the ice water and toss lightly with a fork or your fingertips. Squeeze a handful of dough. If the dough sticks together, don’t add more water. If the dough seems dry, add 1 to 2 tablespoons more water, toss again, and repeat the squeeze test.


Form the dough into a log, make an indentation across the middle, and fold the dough onto itself. Reshape into a log and repeat the indenting and folding to create layers of dough. Divide the dough into two balls and shape each into a disk on plastic wrap. Wrap securely in the plastic and refrigerate for 1 hour or longer.


Adjust an oven rack to the lower third position and preheat the oven to 425˚F.


Take out one dough disk and roll it out on a floured pastry cloth or board until it is about 13 inches in diameter. Flour the dough lightly as necessary to prevent sticking. Brush off excess flour once the dough is large enough to line your pie pan. Fold the crust over the top of the rolling pin and unroll it into the pan carefully. Nudge the dough gently into the pan; there’ll be an inch or two of overhanging pastry. If the dough tears, paint a little water where it needs to be patched and “glue” on a patch piece. Refrigerate while you make the filling.


For the apple filling, put the fruit. sugar, cinnamon, nutmeg, allspice, salt, flour, and cider vinegar into a large bowl and toss gently until the apples are coated. Taste carefully. If you feel the fruit isn’t sweet enough, add a bit more sugar. Transfer filling to the chilled pie crust, dot with the butter, and refrigerate while you roll out the top crust.


Brush edge of bottom crust with water and cover with the top crust. Press to seal. Trim away excess pastry to within 1/2 inch of pie plate. Crimp the edge and flute as desired. Cut decorative slits in the top crust and brush with the egg white glaze. Sprinkle about 1 tablespoon sugar onto the pie.


Bake 20 minutes at 425˚F. Reduce temperature to 375˚F. and continue baking until juices bubble through the slits and the apples are completely cooked through (test with tip of sharp knife), about 45 to 50 minutes longer. Cool completely before serving.


Note: Source for rendered lard: Dietrich’s Meats and Country Store. http://www.dietrichsmeats.com/  Call to place an order: 610.756.6344.


Makes 8 servings.

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